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		<title>Comment on Talent is not enough by Michael 'MC' Carter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael 'MC' Carter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 06:37:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great post and excellent advice Ric. One thing I have found is that in addition to the preparation and being crystal clear on the outcome of the meeting, something that helps firms dramatically is sitting down and designing a sales process that has defined steps and clear milestones - that is, having a perspective that is more encompassing than the one meeting - e.g. Initial Needs Analysis Meeting; Proposal preparation; Proposal discussion meeting. This provides two benefits: (1) It gives business development operatives within the firm a clear process to follow with clear desired outcomes from each stage (e.g. the desired outcome from the first meeting is simply to understand the client&#039;s background, current issues and future goals, along with explaining the firm&#039;s points of difference), and, perhaps just as importantly, (2) it also allows a BD operative to say to a prospective client right up front, &quot;we have a 3-step process we go through when we&#039;re in this &#039;getting to know each other&#039; stage with a prospective client ... can I explain those 3 steps to you now?&quot; ... followed by a PAUSE ... waiting for the prospective client to speak next, and to permit you to continue. 

The first &#039;sale&#039; to make in the sales process is to sell the prospective client on the sales process ... that is, to gain their commitment to the stages in your process. This provides comfort to the prospective client  and it automatically sets up more than one meeting, giving the BD operative the opportunity to build greater rapport and to be able to follow up after providing the proposal. Without this permission up front, following up a presentation or proposal can seem like the firm is trying too hard (e.g. &#039;pushy&#039;) to win their business, whereas if the expectation is set up right up front, it&#039;s more comfortable and works better for both parties. 

This type of explanation also comforts the prospective client because they then know that the purpose of the first meeting is not to &#039;sell&#039; them, but rather to listen to them, to start analyzing their situation and to walk away with a clear brief upon which a realistic proposal can be built. This &#039;sales process design&#039; is equally important as &#039;sales skills training&#039;; combined, these produce far better results. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post and excellent advice Ric. One thing I have found is that in addition to the preparation and being crystal clear on the outcome of the meeting, something that helps firms dramatically is sitting down and designing a sales process that has defined steps and clear milestones &#8211; that is, having a perspective that is more encompassing than the one meeting &#8211; e.g. Initial Needs Analysis Meeting; Proposal preparation; Proposal discussion meeting. This provides two benefits: (1) It gives business development operatives within the firm a clear process to follow with clear desired outcomes from each stage (e.g. the desired outcome from the first meeting is simply to understand the client&#8217;s background, current issues and future goals, along with explaining the firm&#8217;s points of difference), and, perhaps just as importantly, (2) it also allows a BD operative to say to a prospective client right up front, &#8220;we have a 3-step process we go through when we&#8217;re in this &#8216;getting to know each other&#8217; stage with a prospective client &#8230; can I explain those 3 steps to you now?&#8221; &#8230; followed by a PAUSE &#8230; waiting for the prospective client to speak next, and to permit you to continue. </p>
<p>The first &#8217;sale&#8217; to make in the sales process is to sell the prospective client on the sales process &#8230; that is, to gain their commitment to the stages in your process. This provides comfort to the prospective client  and it automatically sets up more than one meeting, giving the BD operative the opportunity to build greater rapport and to be able to follow up after providing the proposal. Without this permission up front, following up a presentation or proposal can seem like the firm is trying too hard (e.g. &#8216;pushy&#8217;) to win their business, whereas if the expectation is set up right up front, it&#8217;s more comfortable and works better for both parties. </p>
<p>This type of explanation also comforts the prospective client because they then know that the purpose of the first meeting is not to &#8217;sell&#8217; them, but rather to listen to them, to start analyzing their situation and to walk away with a clear brief upon which a realistic proposal can be built. This &#8217;sales process design&#8217; is equally important as &#8217;sales skills training&#8217;; combined, these produce far better results.</p>
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		<title>Comment on When is the best time to plant a tree? by Joanna Gyuire</title>
		<link>http://theconsultingaccountant.com/2010/01/when-is-the-best-time-to-plant-a-tree/comment-page-1/#comment-389</link>
		<dc:creator>Joanna Gyuire</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Feb 2010 23:18:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ric,

This is great &#039;food for thought&#039;.  Michael and I shared a chair lift at heavenly with a gentleman who was 82 and had started skiing when he moved to the states in 1993 - this means he was 65 when he started.  After skiing just 2 seasons he decided to buy a house in tahoe and winter there just to ski - it&#039;s amazing that some people use being &#039;too old&#039; as an excuse... i think being &#039;old&#039; is just a state of mind...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ric,</p>
<p>This is great &#8216;food for thought&#8217;.  Michael and I shared a chair lift at heavenly with a gentleman who was 82 and had started skiing when he moved to the states in 1993 &#8211; this means he was 65 when he started.  After skiing just 2 seasons he decided to buy a house in tahoe and winter there just to ski &#8211; it&#8217;s amazing that some people use being &#8216;too old&#8217; as an excuse&#8230; i think being &#8216;old&#8217; is just a state of mind&#8230;</p>
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		<title>Comment on When is the best time to plant a tree? by Kerry King</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kerry King</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Feb 2010 09:03:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree:

We&#039;re never too old to learn and it&#039;s never too late to start (anything)!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree:</p>
<p>We&#8217;re never too old to learn and it&#8217;s never too late to start (anything)!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Challenges With Time-Based Pricing by Julie Payne</title>
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		<dc:creator>Julie Payne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jan 2010 21:25:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have been waiting for your follow-up post on this one. Will you be doing this in the near future? I am interested in seeing your thoughts on the time recording system and client profitability analysis. Thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have been waiting for your follow-up post on this one. Will you be doing this in the near future? I am interested in seeing your thoughts on the time recording system and client profitability analysis. Thanks.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Attitude Influences Outcome by Ric Payne</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ric Payne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jan 2010 18:11:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And here&#039;s another example of how self-perception can have a dramatic impact on a person&#039;s accomplishments.  Covey, at page 300-301 in 7 Habits relates a story about a computer programming error that resulted in a report that categorized students into &quot;bright kids&quot; and &quot;dumb kids&quot; based on an IQ test.  The problem was that the programmer got the logic wrong and the &quot;bright&quot; kids on the report were actually the &quot;dumb&quot; ones and vice versa.

Several months later the error was discovered.  They decided to test the kids again without telling anyone.  The result astounded the school administrators.  The IQ of the &quot;real&quot; bright kids had gone down significantly.  They had been treated as being &quot;mentally limited, uncooperative and difficult to teach&quot; by the teachers. The teacher&#039;s paradigms in other words had become a self fulfilling prophecy.

On the other hand, the scores of the supposedly &quot;dumb&quot; group had gone up.  They were treated as being bright, energetic, optimistic and excited which resulted in &quot;high individual expectations and worth for those kids.&quot;  What&#039;s interesting is that the teachers of the &quot;dumb&quot; group said that they were challenged in the first few weeks of teaching but they knew they were &quot;bright&quot; so they changed their teaching methods with outstanding results.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And here&#8217;s another example of how self-perception can have a dramatic impact on a person&#8217;s accomplishments.  Covey, at page 300-301 in 7 Habits relates a story about a computer programming error that resulted in a report that categorized students into &#8220;bright kids&#8221; and &#8220;dumb kids&#8221; based on an IQ test.  The problem was that the programmer got the logic wrong and the &#8220;bright&#8221; kids on the report were actually the &#8220;dumb&#8221; ones and vice versa.</p>
<p>Several months later the error was discovered.  They decided to test the kids again without telling anyone.  The result astounded the school administrators.  The IQ of the &#8220;real&#8221; bright kids had gone down significantly.  They had been treated as being &#8220;mentally limited, uncooperative and difficult to teach&#8221; by the teachers. The teacher&#8217;s paradigms in other words had become a self fulfilling prophecy.</p>
<p>On the other hand, the scores of the supposedly &#8220;dumb&#8221; group had gone up.  They were treated as being bright, energetic, optimistic and excited which resulted in &#8220;high individual expectations and worth for those kids.&#8221;  What&#8217;s interesting is that the teachers of the &#8220;dumb&#8221; group said that they were challenged in the first few weeks of teaching but they knew they were &#8220;bright&#8221; so they changed their teaching methods with outstanding results.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Attitude Influences Outcome by Ric Payne</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ric Payne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jan 2010 17:48:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I totally agree Phil.  In fact I&#039;m working on material that deals with this very issue right now.  Here are a few more books that I&#039;d recommend to anyone would wants to achieve greater success in life and in business.  Napoleon Hill&#039;s &lt;em&gt;Think and Grow Rich&lt;/em&gt; is a classic.  David Swartz&#039;s &lt;em&gt;The Magic of Thinking Big&lt;/em&gt; is a great read.  Stephen Covey&#039;s &lt;em&gt;The 7 Habits of Highly Effective People&lt;/em&gt; should nut just be read it should be studied! And &lt;em&gt;Success Through a Positive Mental Attitude&lt;/em&gt; by Napoleon Hill &amp; W. Clement Stone is amazing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I totally agree Phil.  In fact I&#8217;m working on material that deals with this very issue right now.  Here are a few more books that I&#8217;d recommend to anyone would wants to achieve greater success in life and in business.  Napoleon Hill&#8217;s <em>Think and Grow Rich</em> is a classic.  David Swartz&#8217;s <em>The Magic of Thinking Big</em> is a great read.  Stephen Covey&#8217;s <em>The 7 Habits of Highly Effective People</em> should nut just be read it should be studied! And <em>Success Through a Positive Mental Attitude</em> by Napoleon Hill &amp; W. Clement Stone is amazing.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Attitude determines outcome &#8230; do you believe? by Ron Ratliff</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ron Ratliff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jan 2010 12:07:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Ric!

Great video...and, I&#039;d point out...a Texan!

We all need to hear that what we are doing is valued by those we choose to serve.

See you in Atlanta!

Ron</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Ric!</p>
<p>Great video&#8230;and, I&#8217;d point out&#8230;a Texan!</p>
<p>We all need to hear that what we are doing is valued by those we choose to serve.</p>
<p>See you in Atlanta!</p>
<p>Ron</p>
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		<title>Comment on Attitude Influences Outcome by Philip Arnfield</title>
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		<dc:creator>Philip Arnfield</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jan 2010 01:33:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was reading a book over Christmas that explains why attitude will influence outcome. The important lesson in the book is that we will become what we think about ourselves.

Dr. Bob Rotella is a sports psychologist with a special interest in golf. In his book Your 15th Club he discusses the relationship between your conscious mind, subconscious mind, and the creation of your self image. 

To explain the relationship Dr Rotella uses the example of learning to drive a manual car. It is the conscious mind that learns the physical activity required to move through the gears smoothly. Eventually you learn how to control the car well enough so that control of the gears is an activity controlled by the subconscious mind. You can drive from A to B without even thinking about the gear changes.

The reason you can drive the car without thinking about the gear changes is as a result of your self image as a driver. Self image lives in the subconscious.

According to Dr. Rotella we all have the power to train our self imagine so that our subconscious mind helps us to become what we think about ourselves.

Ric, you pose the question how much of our own under-performance can be attributed to our failure to believe in ourselves and our colleagues. Having read Your 15th Club I am of the view that a great deal of our under-performance is attributed to our failure to believe in ourselves.
   
I have read the book twice now. The first read was an attempt to improve my golf, and it actually has had a positive impact there already. It then occurred to me that the concepts discussed have relevance to my work, so I took off my golf hat and put on the eye shade and read it again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was reading a book over Christmas that explains why attitude will influence outcome. The important lesson in the book is that we will become what we think about ourselves.</p>
<p>Dr. Bob Rotella is a sports psychologist with a special interest in golf. In his book Your 15th Club he discusses the relationship between your conscious mind, subconscious mind, and the creation of your self image. </p>
<p>To explain the relationship Dr Rotella uses the example of learning to drive a manual car. It is the conscious mind that learns the physical activity required to move through the gears smoothly. Eventually you learn how to control the car well enough so that control of the gears is an activity controlled by the subconscious mind. You can drive from A to B without even thinking about the gear changes.</p>
<p>The reason you can drive the car without thinking about the gear changes is as a result of your self image as a driver. Self image lives in the subconscious.</p>
<p>According to Dr. Rotella we all have the power to train our self imagine so that our subconscious mind helps us to become what we think about ourselves.</p>
<p>Ric, you pose the question how much of our own under-performance can be attributed to our failure to believe in ourselves and our colleagues. Having read Your 15th Club I am of the view that a great deal of our under-performance is attributed to our failure to believe in ourselves.</p>
<p>I have read the book twice now. The first read was an attempt to improve my golf, and it actually has had a positive impact there already. It then occurred to me that the concepts discussed have relevance to my work, so I took off my golf hat and put on the eye shade and read it again.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Feedback by Ric Payne</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ric Payne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jan 2010 03:53:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the heads up Joel.  I have one of our web people look into it.
Ric</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the heads up Joel.  I have one of our web people look into it.<br />
Ric</p>
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		<title>Comment on Focus on your strengths by Ric Payne</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ric Payne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jan 2010 22:02:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I didn&#039;t claim them to be my original ideas. I do claim them to be an expression of my personal thoughts based on my research and experience.  I am familiar with Buckingham&#039;s work and seriously doubt that he would claim to be the originator of the idea that people should focus on their strengths.  I most certainly doubt that he would take issue with anything I have written in this post.  But since you raise it I am grateful for reminder that people who are interested in exploring their strengths (and those of their team members) should take a look at Marcus Buckingham&#039;s &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.amazon.com/Marcus-Buckingham/e/B001H6NQ20/ref=sr_tc_2_0&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Amazon Author page&lt;/a&gt; and also Tom Rath&#039;s &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.amazon.com/Tom-Rath/e/B001J8ZIN6/ref=sr_tc_2_0&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Amazon Author page&lt;/a&gt;.  In the meantime, if my posts offend you in any way Steve, please take yourself off the distribution list.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I didn&#8217;t claim them to be my original ideas. I do claim them to be an expression of my personal thoughts based on my research and experience.  I am familiar with Buckingham&#8217;s work and seriously doubt that he would claim to be the originator of the idea that people should focus on their strengths.  I most certainly doubt that he would take issue with anything I have written in this post.  But since you raise it I am grateful for reminder that people who are interested in exploring their strengths (and those of their team members) should take a look at Marcus Buckingham&#8217;s <a href="http://www.amazon.com/Marcus-Buckingham/e/B001H6NQ20/ref=sr_tc_2_0" rel="nofollow">Amazon Author page</a> and also Tom Rath&#8217;s <a href="http://www.amazon.com/Tom-Rath/e/B001J8ZIN6/ref=sr_tc_2_0" rel="nofollow">Amazon Author page</a>.  In the meantime, if my posts offend you in any way Steve, please take yourself off the distribution list.</p>
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